I think he wasnt talking about the server/workstation market at all, but rather the ability to connect a south bridge with additional PCI-Ex lanes. The M1577 unfortunatly only seems to support an additional 2 PCI-Ec lanes... meaning the max number would only go up 2 per south bridge added. If there was a version that support an extra 16, that would be perfect, and the solution would come out very similar to the Nvidia SLI 16x chipsets... as well as gaining 8 more USB, 2 more IDE, 4 more SATAII etc.
This doesnt look like its an option for ULi without designing a new south bridge, but it is something they should think about. The 1697 is already likely to have the best PCI-Ex performance as is... and boosting that with full 16x SLI would cement it as far and away the enthusiast choice. Something I dont think ULi/Ali has had since the very early Super 7 days.
If that list of board partners comes through, and the M1697 behaves anything like the M1695 (it should, its esentially the same chipset), you could easily see the highest performing S939 boards on the market... especially considering the only board in the states with the M1695 is a value ASRock upgrade series board, and it woops all other boards in gaming. I can barely imagine what the chipset can do when given a serious performance once over.
Put simply, as it stands, i would say the ULi M1695 is the best performing chipset for S939. M1697 appears to continue that.
I know it'll be used for DRM purposes among other things. It'll also be used for authentication, encryption keys, etc. The key point is that M2 CPUs will support presidio, which will need a TP module for "full functionality."
VIA's M2 chipset will support TPM but besides that it looks to be completely identical to current chipsets.
quote: I know it'll be used for DRM purposes among other things. It'll also be used for authentication, encryption keys, etc.
You're endorsing an updated version of the PIII serial number, where a unique key identifies each machine in hardware. Do you wish to continue arguing in support of "Trusted" Computing?
None of this is about having confidence in the user, as a user is not necessarily tied to any one machine; it's about having confidence in the hardware and software---specifically, confidence that the hardware has not been tampered with (read: modded) and unauthorized software has not been run (but unauthorized by whom? not the user of the machine, that's for sure, for that would defeat the whole purpose). And if it has, the hardware's key can be put on a revocation list, and bannination from using any service that utilizes the list (banks, stores, etc.) from that machine may ensue.
You've already seen this in action in the form of the Xbox. Now imagine what would happen if it were more than Xbox Live that depended on such a list?
I never said I liked TPM, I'm just saying that it has other uses besides the ones you hear about (which will probably be abused insanely). The problem is not the technology itself, but the use the content providers put it to. Microsoft, Intel and AMD want to be part of the "digital home" thing and they would be marginalized by all the content providers if they did not use DRM technologies pervasively. If you want to blame someone, blame the the government for allowing content providers to take all "fair-use" rights from consumers.
Regardless, I was asking if any TPM-supporting core logic will support socket M2 (which is where TPM will come into play on the AMD side) since only presidio and pacifica will differentiate a current s939 A64 from an M2 one with regards to the core logic (DDR/DDR2 is attached onto the CPU so that has nothing to do with the chipset).
Cool, I aways liked ULi's work, but never owned thier chipset due to their lack of features. However tht company offers some pretty neat features/innovations.
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vailr - Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - link
Any updates on motherboards using the ULi M1697 chipset?It's been 6 weeks now, and nothing released for retail sale, AFAIK.
lsman - Friday, December 9, 2005 - link
M1695 + M1697 (similar to nforce Professional 2200 + 2050)will any maker have those?
Slaimus - Friday, December 9, 2005 - link
Seeing how this is ULi, who has no presence in the server/workstation market, there is no chance.Cygni - Saturday, December 10, 2005 - link
I think he wasnt talking about the server/workstation market at all, but rather the ability to connect a south bridge with additional PCI-Ex lanes. The M1577 unfortunatly only seems to support an additional 2 PCI-Ec lanes... meaning the max number would only go up 2 per south bridge added. If there was a version that support an extra 16, that would be perfect, and the solution would come out very similar to the Nvidia SLI 16x chipsets... as well as gaining 8 more USB, 2 more IDE, 4 more SATAII etc.This doesnt look like its an option for ULi without designing a new south bridge, but it is something they should think about. The 1697 is already likely to have the best PCI-Ex performance as is... and boosting that with full 16x SLI would cement it as far and away the enthusiast choice. Something I dont think ULi/Ali has had since the very early Super 7 days.
blckgrffn - Friday, December 9, 2005 - link
Gigabit! I want it! I love it! I want some more of it!Hopefully the nicer mobo's with this chipset will include one of the PCIe variety :)
Yes, I do have gigabit ethernet in my home, and yes, all my other PC's have Gbe, and yes, the speed is used and appreciated.
Nat
DigitalDivine - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
If there can be boards that would retail at $50 (and less) and if the heatsink for this is passively cooled, ULI might just have itself a winner.DigitalFreak - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
They'll have to compete on cost. Nothing there that makes it any better than an Nforce4, except HD audio support.Cygni - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
Did you miss the review of the M1695 chipset currently shipping? Guess ya did. Let me sum it up for you:The ULi m1695 is FASTER in GAMES than the Nforce4 (Link: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2524&am...">http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2524&am.... The ULi 1695 also includes FULL AGP support. And SLI/Crossfire support, to boot.
If that list of board partners comes through, and the M1697 behaves anything like the M1695 (it should, its esentially the same chipset), you could easily see the highest performing S939 boards on the market... especially considering the only board in the states with the M1695 is a value ASRock upgrade series board, and it woops all other boards in gaming. I can barely imagine what the chipset can do when given a serious performance once over.
Put simply, as it stands, i would say the ULi M1695 is the best performing chipset for S939. M1697 appears to continue that.
bupkus - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
With the pricing of pci-e video cards continuing to drop the window of opportunity for AGP based A64 systems is closing fast.bupkus - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
Hmmm... they support both, don't they. My bad.Furen - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
TPM? Does that mean it's a socket M2-compatible chipset? I must say that the single-chip design is nice.DigitalFreak - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
TPM is Trusted Platform Management, I believe. Stuff that can be used for evil DRM purposes... :-(Furen - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
I know it'll be used for DRM purposes among other things. It'll also be used for authentication, encryption keys, etc. The key point is that M2 CPUs will support presidio, which will need a TP module for "full functionality."VIA's M2 chipset will support TPM but besides that it looks to be completely identical to current chipsets.
bersl2 - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
You're endorsing an updated version of the PIII serial number, where a unique key identifies each machine in hardware. Do you wish to continue arguing in support of "Trusted" Computing?
None of this is about having confidence in the user, as a user is not necessarily tied to any one machine; it's about having confidence in the hardware and software---specifically, confidence that the hardware has not been tampered with (read: modded) and unauthorized software has not been run (but unauthorized by whom? not the user of the machine, that's for sure, for that would defeat the whole purpose). And if it has, the hardware's key can be put on a revocation list, and bannination from using any service that utilizes the list (banks, stores, etc.) from that machine may ensue.
You've already seen this in action in the form of the Xbox. Now imagine what would happen if it were more than Xbox Live that depended on such a list?
Is this what you want?
Furen - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
I never said I liked TPM, I'm just saying that it has other uses besides the ones you hear about (which will probably be abused insanely). The problem is not the technology itself, but the use the content providers put it to. Microsoft, Intel and AMD want to be part of the "digital home" thing and they would be marginalized by all the content providers if they did not use DRM technologies pervasively. If you want to blame someone, blame the the government for allowing content providers to take all "fair-use" rights from consumers.Regardless, I was asking if any TPM-supporting core logic will support socket M2 (which is where TPM will come into play on the AMD side) since only presidio and pacifica will differentiate a current s939 A64 from an M2 one with regards to the core logic (DDR/DDR2 is attached onto the CPU so that has nothing to do with the chipset).
Bull Dog - Thursday, December 8, 2005 - link
Cool, I aways liked ULi's work, but never owned thier chipset due to their lack of features. However tht company offers some pretty neat features/innovations.